An open discussion between all attendees
will ensure. Tim will give an opening monologue before asking for an
introduction of all attendees. He will then proceed to ask for objectives for
the discussion and what we want to find out and he will ask to be given a yes/no question about the topic. The discussion
will start and then end with the same yes/no question and a voting to that question will occur. Depending
on the arguments portrayed in the discussion, we will cast our votes to a yes
or a no.
I sat in between Jervais, a web designer
with “too much free time” and Zhen Quan, a lawyer who wishes to “know if lawyers can be
ethical”. Comparatively, I felt inferior to them but lest I was kept assured
that when we are discussing opinions, we are on non-discriminatory lines and
having a diverse view on the topic might add a different dimension to the argument.
Chris, an expat, opened up the discussion with a question.
Does society define what is ethical and
what is unethical? Ethics is about how society defines it. It is a cultural
agreement imposed in different jurisdiction based on the society’s needs. For
example, huge inequity between aristocrats and factory workers in pre-Soviet
Union led to Communism being the preferred choice of system during the early
Soviet era even though limitations to the system is obvious, such as
Capitalistic freedom. The city population was generally contented with the
ideology of Communistic laws. The same thing happens during major revolutions
which changed the way states were run, such as the French Revolution. However,
those who do not belong to the jurisdiction might not feel the same way because
things are run differently where they live. Life may be easier, smoother or
special. Thus, they have different priorities and the laws they want imposed
might be more lenient or different. Society thus imposes a set of ethics to
their localized population. (A more concrete point pointed out was how certain
countries have more gun violence, robberies etc and the people may feel normal
with that amount of violence and how there exists cannibalistic tribes around
the world). Another way to look at morality is the principle of “I hurt you, you
hurt me.”
At this point there was a flurry of
arguments between Chris and Krishin, the intellectual looking gentleman I saw
earlier on in his tweed jacket. Tim intervened and tried to get the topic back
on track.
What is morality? And how does morality
come about? Three explanations were voiced out on the origin of morality. One,
God created morality. Two, morality comes from our rational and self-defined
judgment. Three, a dominant winning side enforces what is right and wrong.
Later on Points Two and Three were reorganized into a new point, Survivability.
At
this point in time, I had formulated my first question. If rationality is the
arbiter of morality, does that mean that the less educated perceive lesser “morality”
than the more educated? However, before this there is another question which
needs to be answered.
Does morality exist in the first place? For
morality to exist, a realist would point out that if we are to scrutinize a
person or an action we could see “badness” in them. For a dreamer, on the other
hand, they would say that morality is a conception of the mind, just like
numbers, in order for us to obtain answers to questions we cannot answer. A
test to prove morality exists is to eradicate the human population and see if
morality still exists in this world. Without the human population, us as the arbiters
(indecisive as we are in our views), the world still will live on. The animal
kingdom still thrives in their cycles of evolution and natural disasters still
occur intermittently. But generally, the world will be balanced because the
world can recover without our involvement. However, in the animal kingdom, we
can still find various degrees of morality. A more developed organism appears
to have a higher degree of morality than less developed ones. For example, a
jellyfish thinks less of its family or habitat than a monkey. Fishes appear
simply to exist but a monkey is able to reciprocate feelings. Love, care, hurt
and giving protection. But simplicity of an organism may not be the reason for
altruism. An example would be ants. They are really small, simple organisms but
they are highly sociable and literally live for their respective nests. Wolves
on the other hand, are highly unsociable who are aggressive in fulfilling their
personal needs. So, do morality exist? That question would be put aside till the end of the discussion.
The discussion then moved on towards the
source for “morality.”
The argument that God created morality or
what is right and wrong is based on the fact that we have an almost innate
feeling to know what is right and wrong. For example when someone steals,
everyone in the world will know that that action is wrong even when these
people do not generally meet one another. The act of killing itself is
portrayed as bad. The intention behind the killing however, may be different.
The most commonly used law system, The Common Law, have a Latin phrase to
justify a person’s criminal liability. Maxim Actus Non Facit Mens Sit Rea. A
Guilty Act is not criminally liable unless it was accompanied with the Guilty
Mind. This proves that the action (of killing or stealing etc) itself is undeniably
wrong, although the intention may not be. Thus, the unexplained instinct to
know the right and wrong could only be God’s Will.
The second hypothetical source for
morality, Self-Creation of morality can be explained together with the third,
enforcement of morality over another person. They are due to survival
instincts. In this line of reasoning, we are all genetic creatures intent of
being infinite or immortal. All we ever really want to do is to ensure our
genes survive and not die out. We want to reproduce. So, we understand that to
another thinking being, we do not want bad things to happen to us, so we do not
do the same thing to another. It is not altruistic behavior really, because we
expect something in return. We expect reciprocation; either similarly or
equivalently. We believe in a God who would reward for the good things we do
and punish for the bad things we do. This, in this theory, imagines God as a
self-constructed entity which serves as a survival function. We believe in
Karma and we extrapolate and spread this concept to vast ends of the Earth to
ensure people believe in Karma or a God and thus people abide by rules to
mutually benefit each other’s survivability. That is why another group of people might have
these accorded rules to “survive”, otherwise known as morality and when they
find another group of people who have their own sets of rules for
survivability, they do not agree and will fight. The winner would justify their
“morality” over the other. Some might argue that we do make decisions which are
altruistic. For example, I may donate blood for those who need it. Here is the
crux to this theory. It depends on the person’s idea of their own “people”.
More people are willing to donate blood or organs to the people they know like
relatives but even less would do so to strangers. And even less to strangers
from another country. A person is more willing to defend their home country than
defend in a war in another country unless they feel they have a genetic
relation or possible genetic relation to the people they are defending.
A person spoke up at this point in time and
asked about competing ethics in an action.
For example, should a mother rob a
bank to save her starving children? The answer to this is irrevocably
intertwined with the origin of morality. It depends if the mother places her
children above her society or vice versa. Will the mother care about what her children will
think of her? What sort of values will the children adopt from society and would it
justify the mother’s action? It will be the mother’s choice or sense of
morality in the end that matters. Some attendees argued that the mother's choice is actually dependent on entirely different grounds. It depends on 3 values which the mother cares about. Psychological, physical or emotional. (I did not quite catch the reasons behind the three values though.
The discussion then turned towards morality
progressing.
Have
morality progressed? For example, there are a greater emphasis for equal
treatment of women and other coloured races. Is it because we became more moral
that we treated them more equally? Or is the case really that we already know
how to treat people equally but it is because we did not define women or other
races as human, therefore we treated them inhumanely?
At the end of the discussion,because it was
close to 4.30pm already, Mr Tim Dunn asked his final question. Who agrees that
morality exists? Half of those attended chose Yes.
The discussion above is a general
transcript I have managed to write and remember from the meeting. Frankly
speaking, I was more engrossed with the arguments than taking note, thus I have
missed a fairly large amount of content. I have tried rearranging some bits of
arguments into a more understandable structure because they were all over the
place. These are not my arguments nor viewpoint. Of course, morality is a much larger and bigger topic. I had read the
opening chapter of “The Selfish Gene” by Richard Dawkins and I think his
arguments and research to explain morality is more compelling.

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